tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1481269903589710089.post7524596017976842838..comments2023-10-26T14:17:19.752+03:00Comments on saudi stepford wife: The Great Abaya Debate: Head vs. ShouldersSaudi Stepford Wife-Daisyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09934386285333242262noreply@blogger.comBlogger57125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1481269903589710089.post-41068131252215343662013-01-26T16:14:03.519+03:002013-01-26T16:14:03.519+03:00Assalaamu 3lykum.
Interesting piece and very well...Assalaamu 3lykum.<br /><br />Interesting piece and very well written . Masha Allah 3lyk<br /><br />Okay, I tried to read all the comments but they seem quite a lot and are quite repetitive. But Well DONE. An interesting debate.<br /><br />I just wanted to comment on the fact that this is a cultural issue and NOT an Islamic one.<br />I was in Makkah and was talking to this Saudi Girl, from Riyadh, she told me that she covered her face in her city but not in Makkah. I being curious, asked her why? She replied by telling me that if she was not to wear it then she would be looked down upon, it was a custom.<br />I then said but Islamically you need to be modest. She said, you see, Islam says a lot of things.<br /><br />You see, it our beliefs and strength of faith. Our lack of practice and belief in our religion that causes us to be like who we are.<br />You notice a clear difference between the one who Prays five times a day and the one who wears Abaya yet does not practice their religion accordingly.<br />I known Saudis, yet not being one, and I do not wish to generalize but many do NOT practice their religion.<br />Go to the west, you get much better and practicing Muslims.<br />From childhood to adolescence I have watched Saudi women and men strip their modest clothing in airplanes and airports as soon as they reach their western, or more free as they think to be destinations.<br />It really baffles me for starters!<br />We are slaves to our Lord. How good are you as a slave if you indirectly deny that He cannot see you while in western countries?<br />Know Saudi Arabia, the west detest you, not for what you may think. But in fact it is because of the acceptance of One God.<br />And this was how it was during the time of the Prophet.<br />They found the beliefs logical within the Qur'aan and Sunnah, but they were unable to testify to One God.<br />So the point is, why do the Non-Muslims still find other things to debate with. The reason is because we need to stop giving them that.<br />We fail to give the true picture of our religion.<br />As Muslims we have submitted our self and soul to Allah. Are you sure you have? The moment you strip when your outside the Mamlakah, do you know what a statement you are making against your OWN religion? If you can do this then why wouldn't the infidels do the same?<br />There is nothing wrong with the religion of Islam, it is the nonpracticing and ignorant ones who claim to be Muslims that fail to realize that they are portraying an incorrect picture.<br />Saudi has turned the abaya into an cultural issue when in fact there is NO issue and it is an Islamic belief. It must be done regardless.<br />As Muslims we should be competing in being THE MOST MODEST.<br />And NOT the LEAST!<br />I do respect everyone's views, however, as Muslim's there is one main view and that is:<br /><br />The woman is to cover.<br /><br />How it is done, is up to her, but still it has to be within the Sharee3ah boundaries.<br /><br />This thing of why women should cover when men are the culprits?<br />Tell me, If you see a Gold necklace on the fall, naked, not in a box, it is easy to get to<br />If it was boxed, it makes it harder to get to. OR even IMPOSSIBLE.<br />Which is better.<br />Use your logic.<br /><br />Salaamu 3lykum<br />Sister from UK.Sarounahnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1481269903589710089.post-27782140496345019512011-02-07T11:45:40.680+03:002011-02-07T11:45:40.680+03:00Wow after reading this, I am so glad I can choose ...Wow after reading this, I am so glad I can choose anything to wear! It is unfair to force women to wear like this.. But if you do it on your own free will than that's ok. <br /><br /> I find covering from head to toe including your face and hands is like telling woman should not be seen or heard and that is sad.Najwanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1481269903589710089.post-9417829139202660122010-08-18T23:40:26.432+03:002010-08-18T23:40:26.432+03:00that is good something and the Muslim Woman
save h...that is good something and the Muslim Woman<br />save her self because the man don't look to her ^^ <br />but the woman who are not Muslim All the men look to her :) <br />and the Islam its the Best Religion Really <br />and thank you so much <br />keep going ^____^ameerhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06712265428089487050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1481269903589710089.post-87589273731489611382010-04-25T14:39:02.766+03:002010-04-25T14:39:02.766+03:00Ruling on a woman wearing the abayah that comes fr...Ruling on a woman wearing the abayah that comes from the shoulders:<br /><br />http://www.islamqa.com/en/ref/8555<br />Take a look and Allah knows best.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1481269903589710089.post-41818382462391470772008-07-24T19:31:00.000+03:002008-07-24T19:31:00.000+03:00As a non-muslim, I thank you for describing the di...As a non-muslim, I thank you for describing the different wardrobes of women in the KSA. I am always looking for enlightment when it comes to cultures other than my own...and that twist of humour you put in your articles, well they are always appreciated!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1481269903589710089.post-86886675344754571662008-06-29T23:19:00.000+03:002008-06-29T23:19:00.000+03:00As-Salamu Aleikum wr wbI also found this blog from...As-Salamu Aleikum wr wb<BR/>I also found this blog from beatiful muslima, Al hamdu lillah. ongratulations your post is great.<BR/>I must apologize for my english, i'm from Argentina (here jut wear hijab is too much).<BR/>Always people think that i'm wearing my hijab because of my husband:s that's sooo wrong. Cover your self is a choice in life al hamdu lillah, hijab is da'wah, nothing about any opressive husband, just a blessing from Allah subhana ua ta'ala. Hijab is protection, but is hard to understand for some, freedom doesn't mean less clothes...<BR/>About colours men wear white for one reason: sunnah! just look bukhari the book of dress hadiz 1987. Some people told that women wears black for the same reason but i didn't found any hadiz, otherwise i found a fatwa from Ibn Yibrin on the book Fatawa al mara' wich says: women can wear any colour that she wants ...but.. if there some colour on that country that used to be for men she musn't wear it.<BR/>Any way i think abya's are great and no one can't take away it, it is in my heart <BR/>May Allah keeps us cover. Amin<BR/>Ma'a salamah<BR/>Agustina from Buenos AiresAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1481269903589710089.post-24693936779000526232008-06-29T11:34:00.000+03:002008-06-29T11:34:00.000+03:00thanx to beautiful muslimah post i found ur blog a...thanx to beautiful muslimah post i found ur blog and its very big pleasure to know one more nice person all over here.<BR/>abt ur this post,supposed to everyone had have and will have his/her own opinion but mostly society make rules and form our opinions as well. just in my opinion everyone should look at himself only but anyway we do criticize other ppl.that is not good actually and then we suffer ourselves from others' critic to our side.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10571663047955614170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1481269903589710089.post-13773990104168197762008-04-13T21:54:00.000+03:002008-04-13T21:54:00.000+03:00SlmzI agree with Anon, that women shouldn't be the...Slmz<BR/>I agree with Anon, that women shouldn't be the one's to burden the brunt of men's lustful gazes and as a result have to wear a tent (with smuggling benefits). <BR/><BR/>So, the Holy Qur'an says that the believing MEN and believing WOMEN should lower their gaze. <BR/><BR/>Proceeding on the assumption that the Qur'an can't be wrong, there is CLEARLY a reason for "men" coming before women in this injunction. Brother - keep your eyes on the pavement.<BR/><BR/>And whilst I acknowledge that what I wear may attract a man's gaze, and I should have respect for a man by not going out looking like a peacock, just as he should respect me by not chasing my...skirt/tent, none of us are responsible for another's sins. It is not upon my head, as a woman, to excuse a man's lack of self restraint by dressing like something out of a latex fantasy...<BR/><BR/>Brilliant write, thoroughly look forward to reading your works!Lady Writerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01721897971844657358noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1481269903589710089.post-35652768181260860602007-10-24T18:16:00.000+03:002007-10-24T18:16:00.000+03:00ASSALAMU ALAYKUMShame on u ppl.How could a muslim ...ASSALAMU ALAYKUM<BR/>Shame on u ppl.How could a muslim talk so bad about somthing in islam.it should not have a debate on this at all.I think we should leave dat for the kuffar to do.They comment on everything in islam.We should fear ALLAH & dont debate on things that he made hallal.It's your choice to wear the jilbab from the head or the other.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1481269903589710089.post-64470984223643431332007-10-12T02:42:00.000+03:002007-10-12T02:42:00.000+03:00[24:31] "And tell the believing women to subdue th...[24:31] "And tell the believing women to subdue their eyes, and maintain their chastity. They shall not reveal any parts of their bodies, except that which is necessary. They shall draw their barriers(coverings) over their chests, and shall not relax this code in the presence of other than their husbands, their fathers, the fathers of their husbands." Yes this is an english translation, yet I believe it conveys a clear message. Yes women (and men alike) are to be modest in dress and behavior, which is very important to the function of a society. However, I am curious as to why many people translate this into meaning that women are to be invisible. It is sad to me that some of our sisters are repressed into believing that if their clothing has any sort of color or decoration that they are "bad" and are looked down upon by members of their society. I can whole heartedly understand the desire to be left alone by other men, which if that is a womans goal they should go ahead and cover everything from head to toe. However, this should always be a personal choice, and the way a woman chooses to cover herself (or a man for that matter) should never be dictated or judged by any other than Allah. They also need to remember that if they are covered in the first place and a man tries to flirt with them, there should be no sin on the woman for she has done nothing to invite this sin, it belongs to the man for he did not follow Allahs directions to be modest regarding women. I have never seen anything in the Quran that even hints that men and women are to only ware certain types of clothing in certain colors. And the words of Allah are perfect, Allah does not forget anything. If Allah truely made it necessary for a woman to hide everything about herself except her eyes, then why would we need to wash our hands, feet, faces, arms, and you know, even our Hair during ablution? But like I said, if this is how a person wishes to cover herself, then it should always be her right to do so. I just don't think other people should dictate what people are to wear (unless of course, it is too revealing and does not follow Allahs instruction) especially if it causes hardship to the person, as Allah does not require hardship for us. Family members, neighbors, and others should never assume they know the strength of a persons faith or standing with Allah based on clothing. Infact, people should never assume to have such knowlege no matter what the circumstance! To those new Muslimas who are reading these blogs and are feeling guilty for liking to ware nice or colorful clothing, the best advice I can offer you is to pray for guidence on this sensitive subject and follow what you feel is correct, not what others (other than Allah) have decided is correct for you.Noelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10055977855353420689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1481269903589710089.post-61525936043798475102007-08-30T00:03:00.000+03:002007-08-30T00:03:00.000+03:00In response to your comment about Arab men hitting...In response to your comment about Arab men hitting on you more AFTER wearing hijab, all I can say is I agree completely. It's not just in America/England, try 100 feet away from Al-Masjid al-Haram.<BR/>Not what you'd expect on an innocent pilgrimage.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1481269903589710089.post-64380226782765201282007-08-14T05:54:00.000+03:002007-08-14T05:54:00.000+03:00How I miss my wearing my abaya! As a non-Muslim i...How I miss my wearing my abaya! As a non-Muslim in the Eastern Province I used to wear a 'shouder' abaya when out and about in Khobar. My friends and family think it's strange, but I loved it - so stylish! It also meant I never had to worry about what I was wearing underneath, unlike other western women, who'd dress up in shapeless, men's clothes. <BR/><BR/>Just my fashion perspective!Spritehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14886720306429274861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1481269903589710089.post-35436262313117990382007-08-13T08:41:00.000+03:002007-08-13T08:41:00.000+03:00What I find troubling about the cover/not to cover...What I find troubling about the cover/not to cover debate is this: no matter what side one comes down on, the largest issue always seems to be about how the world (men) see and react to a woman's body and clothing and not how the woman herself uses her body and clothes.<BR/><BR/>The universal thing that pops out at me from these interesting comments is that no matter what our culture, we do want to look nice, and that we like to wear pretty things rather than ugly things - also, things which are comfortable rather than uncomfortable.<BR/><BR/>In America - not everywhere, but the more extremely fashion-conscious places - the problem for women who want to look nice and stylish is having to do uncomfortable things like wear tall spikey high heels and wax our eyebrows. Otherwise you are frumpy. Seems like in SA the choice of abaya is just the other side of the coin, the other extreme: the most "proper" dress is just uncomfortable and impractical in a different way than the high heels and tight pants. <BR/><BR/>Ultimately, I think, the woman who wears the most ridiculously impractical outfit shows that she is rich/high-status enough to have the luxury of dressing impractically. For example, I'm always amazed at women in the US who wear these tiny, tottery shoes and little cute jackets in the winter. I mean, when it's -20 degrees and the ground is covered with ice and snow, I have on big boots and a down coat! This is because I have to walk to the bus stop and stand in the cold for fifteen minutes every morning; if I had a car and driver I wouldn't have to step in the snow or worry about freezing to death coming home from the grocery store. (Not to mention, who has time to shave her legs every day for that short skirt?!) <BR/><BR/>Similarly, a woman whose movements and peripheral vision are hampered by yards of hot fabric in the desert climate is only going to be safe and comfortable if she doesn't have to do any heavy lifting or carrying of stuff ...<BR/><BR/>It's no surprise that (many) men like "their" women to be wearing the abaya or its Western equivalents (the impractical outfits that reveal her toned and tanned skin). It's less about the sex appeal and more about the status. What I mean is this:<BR/>1) When all the women are draped head to toe in black, just the suggestion of breasts or a glimpse of a wrist will be enough to drive a guy wild - when all the women show off their arms and legs, those things are less of a big deal, but then the guys will obsess over whatever else is hidden ... Very few of us, males or females, don't like to look at the human form or want to see what is hidden. So no matter what the fashion is, or what is considered "modest", people are going to flirt and ogle. It's just a matter of what they are ogling. <BR/>2) If your wife, girlfriend, or daughter is decked out in totally impractical clothes, it implies that you, the man, is so rich and successful that he can supply all her basic needs. See, again, it's all about the males!<BR/><BR/>My problem is especially with the second point - why should my body exist primarily in relation to men? That is what I find insulting about both the abaya and the ridiculous fashion standards in the West. Because I don't think it's really about "modesty" as such. If one were truly modest, they would be modest stark naked. If they were not, they'd be lascivious in a full-length burlap sack. It's about status and ownership of females by males.Joolyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04235093955722303192noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1481269903589710089.post-35151534044259096262007-08-07T21:20:00.000+03:002007-08-07T21:20:00.000+03:00" I dislike the “flipped-back look”same here! give..." I dislike the “flipped-back look”<BR/>same here! give me a single layered niqab anyday.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1481269903589710089.post-68025346837522864652007-08-03T18:28:00.000+03:002007-08-03T18:28:00.000+03:00It is like Iranian National Chador..It is like <I>Iranian National Chador</I>..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1481269903589710089.post-24039010109955885182007-08-01T11:51:00.000+03:002007-08-01T11:51:00.000+03:00glad I'm in Khobar I really am not for the head ab...glad I'm in Khobar I really am not for the head abyas. I fight with my abya as it is, let alone to have it over my head. <BR/><BR/>It used to be a shocker to see the form fitting abyas (I use a shoulder non form fitting decorative ones lats of glam ohhh I'd probably be branded with a big red S.. ok so would most of the ladies in this area) now if you take a walk through the malls you'll see girls w/ the open chests showing their goods.Ann Tamimihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12915646056815128431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1481269903589710089.post-55373009965495803432007-07-28T10:06:00.000+03:002007-07-28T10:06:00.000+03:00Bismillah.Assalaamu alaykum! I really enjoyed this...Bismillah.<BR/>Assalaamu alaykum! <BR/>I really enjoyed this post and I agree with all your pros/cons (& public perceptions) of head vs. shoulder. I loved wearing the head abaya -with triple layer niqab minus headscarf) whilst in the U.A.E. for the cooling solution you mentioned in the car (hold wrists up to the AC vent, whoosh and "Ahhh!"). Nothing around the chin & neck, yay! <BR/><BR/>Living in a non-Muslim country, I wear a shoulder abaya with an extra wide shayla with niqab (no eye screen as I dislike the “flipped-back look”). Personally, I love to wear all black - not because it is considered by some (not me) as more religious however I do agree that certain colours may stand out more depending on the culture you are in- but because the most comfortable and softest niqabs come in black and I just love it as a colour, tres chic, no? When I am in the West, I choose non-black colours such as chocolate, navy and grey (all with minor accent trims but no sequins or glitter) to avoid the "islamism" label from some misinformed people. I fully agree that when in the Gulf, many Muslim women (including me) do opt to wear black, as that seemed to me to be the norm there. While I was in the U.A.E. and K.S.A., I observed the local men noticing the different styles women wear and also the different way people all interacted with each other depending on the type of hijab women wear – it’s a like a badge of who you are, where you are from, and if you are serious or flirty. The fact that the minor details of abaya and niqab is so noted by local men is very interesting, no? I must admit I, too, am fascinated with the different types of regional variations of hijabs (from all over the world) that women wear. <BR/><BR/>While I wouldn't like men coming on to me, I don't mind people know I'm a not a local because as you said, as soon as you open your mouth they know straight away anyway. I’ve never had a Muslim man come onto me while in niqab and while I have heard of it happening, I still get shocked when I hear of it. <BR/><BR/>I love your blog and your (tentative) future post titles sound great! Can't wait to read them!<BR/><BR/>Ma’a salaama,<BR/>AliyahAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1481269903589710089.post-60138630011243391492007-07-28T03:02:00.000+03:002007-07-28T03:02:00.000+03:00Hi Marie-aude,It seems to me that you have misunde...Hi Marie-aude,<BR/><BR/>It seems to me that you have misunderstood the allegories of pearl and diamond. And women in Europe<BR/>is so cheaper than air and water that they are now mercilessly exploited. Just check this link.<BR/><BR/><BR/>------------------------------<BR/>--------------------------------<BR/>http://www.expatica.com/actual/<BR/>article.asp?<BR/>subchannel_id=83&story_id=16897<BR/><BR/><BR/>-----------------------------<BR/>"<BR/>But what about the morality of it?<BR/><BR/>“Doesn’t really come into it,” says Terry, “It’s what some clients want, and nobody gets hurt, nobody’s ripped off, or robbed. They want Spanish culture? Well, that’s what this is – European culture!”<BR/><BR/>It’s a point of view. Leave morality out of it, and it’s just a business, like any other.<BR/><BR/>Beyond the cruelty, the depravity of the lowest end of the business, the virtual slavery of the roundabout girls, and it’s just another, lucrative business, supply and demand, market forces at work."<BR/><BR/>------------------------------<BR/><BR/>You have also watered down the danger of moral relativism. Just think deeply about Terry's answer.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1481269903589710089.post-88626316542835820112007-07-27T13:13:00.000+03:002007-07-27T13:13:00.000+03:00@SeekerRelativism is not in the moral, but in how ...@Seeker<BR/><BR/>Relativism is not in the moral, but in how it is expressed and practised. <BR/><BR/>Being modest is the morality, and the command is not relative. You have to be modest, not "more or less" modest. <BR/>But what it means to be modest, whether for example coloured abayas are acceptable or not, etc... depends of where you are. And this is where relativism starts. <BR/><BR/>Things change also over time. There was a time where having slaves was generally accepted, it is not anymore. Someone who was having slaves in former times would be able to behave correctly with them. By now the simple idea of having slaves means not behaving correctly to a human being.<BR/><BR/>Here again the basic moral "behave correctly with other human beings" is not relative.Marie-Audehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04553066416174981993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1481269903589710089.post-45512047855117133052007-07-27T12:01:00.000+03:002007-07-27T12:01:00.000+03:00Ann,One has to respect others believes. While I am...Ann,<BR/>One has to respect others believes. While I am not a muslim, I respect Muslim women choice of wearing hijab based on their own well, not based on others well in their society.<BR/><BR/>Having said that and talking from a historical perspective. Hijab wasnt invented by Islam. Covering woman has been around long before Islam. It was a way for wealthy men to protect their women at a time physical power played a major role in people's live where women find themselves dominated by men with stronger bodies and had to abide with that.<BR/><BR/>Even in different Islamic countries, you can see the relativity of wearing the Hijab. It isnt an issue of turning men on, because a women wearing a shoulder abaya would turn a man in saudia while he wouldnt notice her in Jordan for instance!<BR/><BR/>You cannot stop men from harrassing you no matter what you wear! Our attraction for each other is just a natural matter. We shouldnt deny it. People can choose whether to act on that attractin or not based on their believes and preferences. <BR/><BR/>you shouldnt deny women attraction to men's bodies, if they dont have it, they woulnt have sex in the first place. People differ in the strength of their sexual urges, you can just ask some women who are more comfortable in expressing their sexuality, and you will figure out that they are attracted to men the same way men are attracted to them. This is nature!The Observerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01601842419039013133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1481269903589710089.post-59400790705583766952007-07-27T01:01:00.000+03:002007-07-27T01:01:00.000+03:00Assalaamu alaikum,As I was typing that last commen...Assalaamu alaikum,<BR/><BR/>As I was typing that last comment, I had the news on, and I couldn't help notice how women's bodies are used...<BR/><BR/>There was a report about how the Internet is changing political campaigns in the U.S., and they spent as lot of time showing a "sexy" music video with some woman - in tight, skimpy clothes - looking at pictures of Barack Obama. Then it was a sports report on the Tour de France; today's winner got the yellow jersey and was posing with two beautiful women (in yellow) on either side of him.<BR/><BR/>Another thing that Muslims like to say is that women's bodies are used to sell everything from soap to cars, and that's not a sign of respect or liberation.Annhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17645722685033366631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1481269903589710089.post-32159065351338985142007-07-27T00:51:00.000+03:002007-07-27T00:51:00.000+03:00Assalaamu alaikum,As Muslim women, we have certain...Assalaamu alaikum,<BR/><BR/>As Muslim women, we have certain guidelines about our dress - that it covers what needs to be covered, that it's loose and not transparent, etc. It doesn't matter what society we live in - we have to follow those. <BR/><BR/>The style or color of our clothes is something that we can be flexible about, as long as we meet those conditions. So in Malaysia, they have their own way of dressing, and in Somalia they have another. But usually, if a Malaysian or Somali woman goes to Saudi, she'll wear a black abaya, because that's what's normal there. And when I travel outside the Gulf, I might wear something other than a black abaya.<BR/><BR/>Also, there is a level of modesty that's required for men, too. The Saudi man, for example, wears a long robe that coves his arms and legs, and he usually has his head covered.<BR/><BR/>The Muslim man is not supposed to be looking at women with lust. But it's simply not true that women are turned on the same way as men are. <BR/><BR/>In Islam, sex is considered a natural and beautiful thing, but only within the context of marriage. In an Islamic society, sex outside of marriage is not condoned and should be punished. But you can't just say that, while the society bombards people with images of sex. Islam is a complete way of life, and everyone ahs a part to play his or her part in making a society Islamic. So, for example, we don't want pornography, we don't want childen having role models who are admired for their sexual adventures, and we don't want women (or men) dressing in a way that is immodest. We want our children (and adults) to be used to modesty, and to see that as the norm.<BR/><BR/>Throughout most of history, in most societies, people dressed more modestly than what's the norm in the U.S., for example, now. When American women wore long dresses, men would get excited to see part of an ankle. I read one time that when Japanese women wore kimonos, men got excited at seeing the back of a neck...<BR/><BR/>Has anyone read Wendy Shalit's "Return to Modesty"? She's not Muslim, but it's a very interesting book.Annhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17645722685033366631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1481269903589710089.post-7636704648263209242007-07-27T00:41:00.000+03:002007-07-27T00:41:00.000+03:00It was enough for me seeing the # of comments :PEv...It was enough for me seeing the # of comments :P<BR/>Even in English language, this issue will continue to be major ^_^Aixa Kayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00658355276066165191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1481269903589710089.post-73430608596597777672007-07-27T00:06:00.000+03:002007-07-27T00:06:00.000+03:00"-I can hide friends underneath my abaya with me…n..."-I can hide friends underneath my abaya with me…no joke, I did this at a wedding once with a friend who couldn’t find her’s when the groom was going to enter."<BR/><BR/>Thats so funny mashaAllah. <BR/><BR/> I have to say even though the first picture does look heavy i've come across and even have a head abaya that is really lightweight and flowy mashaAllah it's probably not as slimming as the second picture but the quality of the fabric really does make a difference.<BR/><BR/>I think the head abaya's are great!Umm Maymoonahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04028013036314223585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1481269903589710089.post-90077384090175607282007-07-26T21:22:00.000+03:002007-07-26T21:22:00.000+03:00----------------SSWI hope you don’t mind me quotin...----------------<BR/>SSW<BR/><BR/>I hope you don’t mind me quoting you in the future as I have a feeling this issue will come up often… “modesty is relative”. <BR/>Great comment.<BR/>---------------<BR/><BR/>Is it really great ? Underneath this seemingly innocuous comment lurks the poison of moral relativism which "is<BR/><BR/>the position that moral or ethical propositions do not reflect objective and/or universal moral truths, but instead make claims relative to social, cultural, historical or personal circumstances. Moral relativists hold that no universal standard exists by which to assess an ethical proposition's truth; it is the opposite of moral absolutism. Relativistic positions often see moral values as applicable only within certain cultural boundaries or in the context of individual preferences."<BR/><BR/>Its history can be linked with Karl Marx and his handlers. In a subtle way this moral relativism<BR/><BR/>can be equated with "immorality" or amorality.They argue that various historical and cultural events and practices (including the Stalinism, Apartheid in South Africa, genocide, unjust wars, genital mutilation, slavery, terrorism, Nazism, etc.) present difficult problems for relativists, because these acts, which are condemned by the "majority of people" everywhere, are not absolutely "bad" from a relativist perspective. This is, in fact, exactly what moral relativism states. "<BR/><BR/><BR/>"On the other hand, I suspect that sexual relativism (homosexuality) is the basis of moral relativism. If we don't know what is male or female, we will not know what is good or bad. It is no coincidence that the people who advocate sexual relativism also advocate moral relativism and their rise is parallel. "<BR/><BR/>----links---<BR/><BR/>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_relativism<BR/>http://www.savethemales.ca/281101.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com